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Wendy gave herself ten out of ten, but now her position is un-ten-able

Wendy on today's Politics Show was just one of the worst performances I've ever seen on national television by an elected member of any parliament. Her evasiveness, lying and spinning were breathtaking. Her continual barracking of Glen Campbell tell you everything about this ladies attitude to truth..... that twitching right foot didn't help in the body language honesty stakes either! [bold]1.[/bold] She is still perpetuating the lie that she had Dither Brown's approval for her wee stunt when she clearly didn't, she seems to think that TV isn't real, even when we've all seen her comments. [bold]2.[/bold] She continued to argue that the SNP have blocked her referendum, even although the rules of Holyrood clearly state that no member or party can bring forward a bill that has already been signalled from the Government - The SNP have already published their draft white paper in the national conversation, originally launched in [bold]August 2007[/bold] [bold]3.[/bold] She still refuses to ask the UK Government to bring forward a binding referendum or explain why she doesn't do this as this is the [bold]ONLY[/bold] way she could accelerate the process. [bold]4.[/bold] Lastly, she doesn't seem to understand that the it's not within the competency of the Scottish parliament to ask a yes/no referendum and that the SNP's proposed question is within the competency of the Scottish parliament and describes the process accurately by using the words authorise and negotiate She went on to attack the SNP for being [italic]'yellow' ????[/italic] Glen Campbell asked if there was a degree of [bold]'madness '[/bold] in labour Can any Labour supporter seriously support this state of affairs for this once proud party, on the one hand, increasing taxes on the poor and playing fast and loose with Scotland's constitutional future on the other whilst denouncing other parties for using a referendum as 'party politics' whilst she readily admits this whole shambles was localised holyrood '[bold]tactics'[/bold] Labour and specifically Wendy is out of control. The only bounce that is needed, is the bounce to get her out of her position as [bold]Leader of Labour at Holyrood.[/bold] [bold]VOTE SNP[/bold] [italic]Vote for Independence![/italic]

[quote] "I will do whatever is necessary to ensure the stability and maintenance of the Union," [bold]Gordon Brown 2008[/bold] [/quote] That includes refusing to allow the Scottish people a voice in the matter....the clunking fist at work..... I'm afraid it's too late Gordon, Scotland has seen right through your sham socialism and is now feeling your penny pinching in our pockets and through the moneys that you propose to withhold from Scotland out of vindictiveness. - Free Health Care Attendance Allowance [bold]£30M[/bold] Annually - New Prisons Barrnet Share [bold]£120M[/bold] - Council Tax Benefit [bold]£400M[/bold] - Sports/Lottery Funding [bold]£180M[/bold] - Barnet Share of Public Send on Regenerating London [bold]£100M[/bold] People earning less than £18500 are currently being taxed more proportionally than those on £30k. And oh did I mention pensions? Your finished Gordon, your[italic] 'hollow'[/italic] calls of [italic]'br[bold]u[/bold] tishness'[/italic] have fallen on deaf ears, the middle England voters are deserting you in drives with a [bold]visceral[/bold] dislike of you and your party. [bold]Scotland will vote positively in 2010/11.[/bold] [bold]Vote SNP[/bold]

Wendy and Gordon should bugg£r off back to the USSR, where they belong. Socialism isn't welcome in Britain!

[quote][bold]Corrupt EU[/bold] wrote: Wendy and Gordon should bugg£r off back to the USSR, where they belong. Socialism isn't welcome in Britain![/quote] Labour only offer faux socialism, not the real thing, so your point is moot. However, there has not been a USSR for some time, perhaps you have a bit of catching up to do ?

Wendy's story as told to the Politics show, with accompanying twitching foot and self imposed arm lock, appeared to be that Brown had endorsed her right as the leader of the Scottish Labour group of MSP's to use whatever tactics she found necessary to challenge the SNP.She will now seek to argue that she challenged the SNP to ''bring it on'' and they chickened out. That will be the new script. There is probably an element of truth in what she said. With all his woes, and with his desire to Un-Scottify himself for the English electorate, in relation to the SNP Btown probably did say to her - you deal with it, I don't want to be involved. Little knowing the tactic she would come up with. Amazingly, Wendy has actually shown some bottle here, she is still asserting her right to use whatever tactics she sees fit to ''expose'' the SNP. I still feel that perhaps an opportunity has been lost - that if the SNP had responded to her overture rather than just ignoring it, the situation would be even more dire for Labour, and the prospect of a referendum would be even more certain. However, that would appear to be academic now. Her position is completely untenable. She gave herself away by saying that she agreed with the First Minister on the referendum issue, and then corrected herself erroneously to say it was the Prime Minister she agreed with. She doesn't, she is completely at loggerheads with Brown and there is no way out of this impasse for either one of them without her resignation. It just remains to be seen how long this tragi-comic-farce will continue.

so wendy has been put back in her kennel by brown. did she ever really manage to slip the leash or was she just being given a very long stretch. I think that wendy will not be coming up with any deviations to london labour policy for the forseeable future.

observor I do not think for one minute that this was an opportunity lost. Had alex brought a bill forward given labours performance over the last week and at the budget do you really think that they would have voted for it or abstained at the least. No alex is right to say we will do what is in the manifesto. All this has done is show that labour will use anything to hang onto their seats. They have also made it clear that the thinking is the same for all labour wether that be at westminster or the scottish parliament the only party that has the scottish peoples best interests at heart is the SNP. The electorate do not know what labours policy on the referendum never is they know what the snp policy is. Would you vote for a party that you didnt know what their policy was?

Karin, she has withdrawn her implied threat to table a referendum bill herself, but she has not withdrawn her support for an early referendum. So she has not been put back in the kennel she is still cavorting about on the grass, the question is whether her behaviour is down to incompetence or rabies.

Karin I thought all the time that Wendy was bluffing, and now we know she was. What will be the outcome of this, apart from her almost certain political demise, is that Labour will attempt to portray the SNP as running scared. How successful that will be I don't know, but they will use it.

Every louse associated with Scottish labour and westminster have contributed to the lies and deceipt surrounding mad wendy's breakdown this week. Brown... the union is dead and what is happening in Scotland is not an event but a process that is at last going to lead us to freedom from the greed and corruption of the slimiest bunch of politicians I can remember in my lifetime. The SNP must pull out all the stops and give Scotland and her people their independence from the corpse of a union that was never a union in the first place. Scottish MP's , labour,tory and lib dem have stood by and watched the systematic raping of Scotland and her wealth while at the same time they kept their theiving snouts in the westminster trough. The process of freedom for Scotland has begun , the people can sense it and it is now unstoppable. At long last our kids, grandkids and the elderly can live in a country that is theres and not the sole property of corrupt Scottish MSP who are in the job to line their own pockets and nothing more. To the SNP, well done but now we must go all out for freedom and the days of westminster dictating Scottish agendas must be put in the past. Dont ever forget the contempt showed by thatcher to Scotland and dont forget to explode the myth that the English subsidise Scotland. WE SUBSIDISE THEM.

Let's see Wendy's continued 'autonomy' from Westminster [italic]Does she or does she not support the case for Westminster re-establishing the attendance allowance to help fund free personal are?[/italic] Wendy, you have until next week when a vote has been called.

Hat trick! Wardog. Funny, just so when opening the Herald site my hand was hesitating between the politics and the entertainment sections. A totaly freudian moment. Any links to the Best Show on the Whole Wide World last session?

perhaps she didn't [italic]knowingly[/italic] call for a referendum?

I am an ex-labour party member and office holder. I will be voting for the SNP in forthcoming elections. I will be also be voting for independence when the time comes. The SNP are closer to being socialists that are the Labour Party. I urge all Labour voters to seriously consider the prospects of an independent Scotland and the ability to have more control over what happens in your name. No more imperialist decisions taken on your behalf and no more bowing to Westminster.

ah welcome cobra glad you could join us. you are right about The SNP are closer to being socialists that are the Labour Party i also speak as an ex labour voter.

[quote][bold]neil robertson[/bold] wrote: perhaps she didn't [italic]knowingly[/italic] call for a referendum?[/quote] Mibee ubendy Wendy did it unintentionally and will be exonerated by the soon to be ex pm BROON. Cobra . Well said, welcome aboard. Full steam ahead , next stop Indepenence.

[quote][bold]neil robertson[/bold] wrote: perhaps she didn't [italic]knowingly[/italic] call for a referendum?[/quote] aye and perhaps the sky has turned a most fetching shade of lime green and the grass surrounding my house is now purple and perhaps scotland is now part of some mad twilight zone where we would will still consider labour capable of running a brownies baking sale.

Typo . INDEPENDENCE

[quote][bold]Corrupt EU[/bold] wrote: Wendy and Gordon should bugg£r off back to the USSR, where they belong. Socialism isn't welcome in Britain![/quote] I think you really mean that you should bugger off back to the asylum that mistakenly let you out into the community. With your posting you show you have absolutely no grip on reality whatsoever.

[quote][bold]neil robertson[/bold] wrote: perhaps she didn't [italic]knowingly[/italic] call for a referendum?[/quote] A week ago we thought she was just calling for a referendum, I'm so glad she's clarified things now to the extent that she has... The clarification seems to be ... that she has merely used her right as leader of the SLAB MSP's with the full agreement of the prime minister to pursue the tactic of exposing the hollowness of the SNP by calling for a referendum. ...silly me , I thought I understood her a week ago.... seems though like we all need an MBA like wot she's got, in order to understand her oh so clever treblethink !

Oh dear - Alf and Dougie have run this once fine newspaper into the ground. http://business.time sonline.co.uk/tol/bu siness/industry_sect ors/media/article390 7840.ece All those folk sickened by your unquestioning Labour bias - I cannot see how you are ever going to get them back. And a Scotland six news seems much more likely, just in time for the referendum - The SNP are really having a great couple of weeks - Thanks Wendy !

All this does he support me stuff that the Wendy has been spouting, just after a trouncing at the poles down south, seems a bit too convenient to me. I mean is Wendy acting alone or is this just another weak scam to get Brown some much needed authority back in the eyes of the people in England where he will stand or fall at the election, if he makes it that far. Who knows what goes on in a mind as entrenched as Browns at this moment, and the silence from the other browne is deafening. If there is any truth in it, they didnt figure on the intelectual stupidity of Wendy to make a pigs ear of it, the only intelect the Wendy has i suspect is for counting money.

The referendum is a process and here are rules to which all political parties should respect. Firstly, there has to be the outcome of the Calman Commision, although this may be a whitewash of a commission. Then there is a bill that has to be meticulously prepared in its substance that has to be presented to Holyrood. To compliment this further at the same time would be an Independent review hat oversee the Calman Commission and present an even more robust overview and analysis as to Scottish Independence. That latter review would be presented by 2010 to Holyrood and would probably be more thorough and independent than that of the Calman Commission. It shall be carried out with someone that is autonomous and independent and has the intellect and gravitas to not be influenced by any Political Party, be that from Holyrood or Westminster. He would probably have the stature of the equivalent of an Auditor General in Governance and Constitutional matters. This is required so that all respective political divides in Holyrood can **** the outcome of the Calman Commission as well as this Independent overview and then with incontrovertible facts before them , be in a position to put forward that referendum in 2010. Thus the referendum for independence should be complimented with a prospectus to the Scottish people. This prospectus would allow the people to know the true facts on the referendum question itself. Yes, it is a completely different sort of Governance, but unlike previous referendums this shall be historic in its presentation. Do you recall the Thatcher Government, when they sold of the nations assets and the energy assets as well? As I recall in the height of the privatisation of these assets a prospectus was presented. Well, on the issue of Independence I believe that a robust prospectus for and against Independence should be presented to the electorate. The people are entitled within their social and economic Human Right to be able to ascertain an incontrovertible factual overview in before they vote in the referendum. The immense worry about Calman is that it is one sided, in matters of Referendum for Independence, it is only appropriate that there is someone that is even better placed than that of those in the Calman Commision. Gordon and Wendy are progressive politicians so they should respect this sort of structured format. There are people that make derogative comments and it is time to place a sensible perspective on this whole issue of the referendum. The voters in a referendum must thus know the social ,economic and political structure and consideration. That is best described by the respective parties in the form of a prospectus. The media is often biased and this equally is why that prospectus to compliment the referendum is important. As for Labour being Socialists , we are all entitled to our respective points of view however looking at the political landscape I can say that there are many centre left parties that have a progressive outlook. All Political Parties would and should be expected to contribute their arguments within the prospectus. these should be followed after the detailed summary by the Independent author that states the facts as he sees them. That way there is no propaganda or spin. The facts are thus presented and the Political parties can place their views whichever side of the Independence debate that they are from. So what exactly should the Auditor General of Governance be placing in the prospectus ? Well, this would be a finite overview on the actual revenue stream from North Sea Oil. He should equally place the considerations of both a continued privatised model on Scottish Energy and also the Nationalisation considerations. Most important of all is that he would be presenting incontrovertible and independent assessment in both situations of what revenues the Energy portfolio brings for Scotland. He shall also place the economic factors like what the price of Oil is in 2010 and equally how his can compliment total fiscal and economic autonomy. That is not all as within his report would also be considerations without the energy portfolio, like what happens when the Oil runs out in 70 years time. I think it is important therefore that all Political Parties focus on Good Governance both in Westminster as well as Holyrood. The Calman commission has to be robust and independent but most of all representative of all Political Parties. At present I don't have that confidence to say that it is a total whitewash of a commission , that is why I think that there should be an Auditor General of Governance and Constitutional matters that would oversee the entire referendum process. That is common sense Government. The people shall have a vote once they have been presented with facts that are independent and unbiased. Good leadership is robust governance that portrays wisdom and gravitas. It is not about spin or a quick rushing to referendums without proper incontrovertible due diligence. I would conclude saying this , would the Calman Commision be looking at the fiscal and monetary consideration for Scotland? Would hey be looking at the currency portfolio? whether to keep sterling or the Euro? No I don't think they would attempt advance economic modelling, so that is why here should be that Auditor General of Governance that contributes and compliment the Calman Commission because that is good leadership.

The referendum is a process and here are rules to which all political parties should respect. Firstly, there has to be the outcome of the Calman Commision, although this may be a whitewash of a commission. Then there is a bill that has to be meticulously prepared in its substance that has to be presented to Holyrood. To compliment this further at the same time would be an Independent review hat oversee the Calman Commission and present an even more robust overview and analysis as to Scottish Independence. That latter review would be presented by 2010 to Holyrood and would probably be more thorough and independent than that of the Calman Commission. It shall be carried out with someone that is autonomous and independent and has the intellect and gravitas to not be influenced by any Political Party, be that from Holyrood or Westminster. He would probably have the stature of the equivalent of an Auditor General in Governance and Constitutional matters. This is required so that all respective political divides in Holyrood can **** the outcome of the Calman Commission as well as this Independent overview and then with incontrovertible facts before them , be in a position to put forward that referendum in 2010. Thus the referendum for independence should be complimented with a prospectus to the Scottish people. This prospectus would allow the people to know the true facts on the referendum question itself. Yes, it is a completely different sort of Governance, but unlike previous referendums this shall be historic in its presentation. Do you recall the Thatcher Government, when they sold of the nations assets and the energy assets as well? As I recall in the height of the privatisation of these assets a prospectus was presented. Well, on the issue of Independence I believe that a robust prospectus for and against Independence should be presented to the electorate. The people are entitled within their social and economic Human Right to be able to ascertain an incontrovertible factual overview in before they vote in the referendum. The immense worry about Calman is that it is one sided, in matters of Referendum for Independence, it is only appropriate that there is someone that is even better placed than that of those in the Calman Commision. Gordon and Wendy are progressive politicians so they should respect this sort of structured format. There are people that make derogative comments and it is time to place a sensible perspective on this whole issue of the referendum. The voters in a referendum must thus know the social ,economic and political structure and consideration. That is best described by the respective parties in the form of a prospectus. The media is often biased and this equally is why that prospectus to compliment the referendum is important. As for Labour being Socialists , we are all entitled to our respective points of view however looking at the political landscape I can say that there are many centre left parties that have a progressive outlook. All Political Parties would and should be expected to contribute their arguments within the prospectus. these should be followed after the detailed summary by the Independent author that states the facts as he sees them. That way there is no propaganda or spin. The facts are thus presented and the Political parties can place their views whichever side of the Independence debate that they are from. So what exactly should the Auditor General of Governance be placing in the prospectus ? Well, this would be a finite overview on the actual revenue stream from North Sea Oil. He should equally place the considerations of both a continued privatised model on Scottish Energy and also the Nationalisation considerations. Most important of all is that he would be presenting incontrovertible and independent assessment in both situations of what revenues the Energy portfolio brings for Scotland. He shall also place the economic factors like what the price of Oil is in 2010 and equally how his can compliment total fiscal and economic autonomy. That is not all as within his report would also be considerations without the energy portfolio, like what happens when the Oil runs out in 70 years time. I think it is important therefore that all Political Parties focus on Good Governance both in Westminster as well as Holyrood. The Calman commission has to be robust and independent but most of all representative of all Political Parties. At present I don't have that confidence to say that it is a total whitewash of a commission , that is why I think that there should be an Auditor General of Governance and Constitutional matters that would oversee the entire referendum process. That is common sense Government. The people shall have a vote once they have been presented with facts that are independent and unbiased. Good leadership is robust governance that portrays wisdom and gravitas. It is not about spin or a quick rushing to referendums without proper incontrovertible due diligence. I would conclude saying this , would the Calman Commision be looking at the fiscal and monetary consideration for Scotland? Would hey be looking at the currency portfolio? whether to keep sterling or the Euro? No I don't think they would attempt advance economic modelling, so that is why here should be that Auditor General of Governance that contributes and compliment the Calman Commission because that is good leadership.

Isn't it incredible how the BBC has omitted the Politics Scotland program from the BBC Iplayer. All the other regional shows are up!. I always assumed that we lived in a democracy with a free press. It appears I am wrong. There is open censorship in the BBC off politics in Scotland even to the point of not a mention on have I got news for you. What has happened to freedom of speech and freedom of information?

Isn't it incredible how the BBC has omitted the Politics Scotland program from the BBC Iplayer. All the other regional shows are up!. I always assumed that we lived in a democracy with a free press. It appears I am wrong. There is open censorship in the BBC of politics in Scotland even to the point of not a mention on have I got news for you. What has happened to freedom of speech and freedom of information?

[quote][bold]brahann[/bold] wrote: Isn't it incredible how the BBC has omitted the Politics Scotland program from the BBC Iplayer. All the other regional shows are up!. I always assumed that we lived in a democracy with a free press. It appears I am wrong. There is open censorship in the BBC of politics in Scotland even to the point of not a mention on have I got news for you. What has happened to freedom of speech and freedom of information?[/quote] You pay £140 a year for it to be denied to you. Happy?

How many times have the sound-bites below been wheeled out this week? "exposing hollowness" "uncertainty damaging Scotland" "called the SNP's bluff" "bring it on" Isn't soudbite politics tedious: "Quick, we've been found lieing / cheating / incompetent / solely interested in the party / not giving a fcuk about Scotland / all of the above. Let's get our story straight with a series of well worn sound bites, we might just convince certain areas of the country we're the good guys" Gies a break. New Labour, GTF the lot of you.

Actually maybe not McLeish and Chisolm. They seem ok to me. Can I think of any others.......? No.

[quote][bold]Big Boy Did It[/bold] wrote: Actually maybe not McLeish and Chisolm. They seem ok to me. Can I think of any others.......? No.[/quote] I agree, both of them are decent and principled politicians. Why they are still in with that shower is a mystery.

[quote][bold]drinnes[/bold] wrote: Wendy gave herself ten out of ten, but now her position is un-ten-able[/quote] Labour have been decimated.

[bold]Ambassador, London on 8:48pm today[/bold] [italic]Your spoiling us[/italic]

[quote][bold]Big Boy Did It[/bold] wrote: How many times have the sound-bites below been wheeled out this week? "exposing hollowness" "uncertainty damaging Scotland" "called the SNP's bluff" "bring it on" Isn't soudbite politics tedious: "Quick, we've been found lieing / cheating / incompetent / solely interested in the party / not giving a fcuk about Scotland / all of the above. Let's get our story straight with a series of well worn sound bites, we might just convince certain areas of the country we're the good guys" Gies a break. New Labour, GTF the lot of you.[/quote] Not much longers, the GHA Stock transfer (Wendy Alexander's baby) has just hit the fan with the Eu threatening to derail the whole exercise [bold]AND[/bold] Wendy has to come out in the next week and either support or vote down a Holyrood motion stating parliamentary support for reinstating the attendance allowance. Let's see just how autonomous she really is.

[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Boy Did It[/bold] wrote: Actually maybe not McLeish and Chisolm. They seem ok to me. Can I think of any others.......? No.[/quote] I agree, both of them are decent and principled politicians. Why they are still in with that shower is a mystery. [/quote] are you serious? remember the dodgy office let? and i read mcleish stepped down and picked up a £35k pension(for life) for a couple of years as F.M.!

[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Boy Did It[/bold] wrote: How many times have the sound-bites below been wheeled out this week? "exposing hollowness" "uncertainty damaging Scotland" "called the SNP's bluff" "bring it on" Isn't soudbite politics tedious: "Quick, we've been found lieing / cheating / incompetent / solely interested in the party / not giving a fcuk about Scotland / all of the above. Let's get our story straight with a series of well worn sound bites, we might just convince certain areas of the country we're the good guys" Gies a break. New Labour, GTF the lot of you.[/quote] Not much longers, the GHA Stock transfer (Wendy Alexander's baby) has just hit the fan with the Eu threatening to derail the whole exercise [bold]AND[/bold] Wendy has to come out in the next week and either support or vote down a Holyrood motion stating parliamentary support for reinstating the attendance allowance. Let's see just how autonomous she really is. [/quote] interesting about the GHA (same incompetents running it as when it was GCC). funny how the government can write off a £2 billion debt,but only if the tenants agree to stock transfer......